Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Question All Christians Must Answer

In my last post, a poetic response to a viral video, I touched upon a point that I think is quite valid, and deserves its own post.

Here's the thing: the entire reason that Jesus' crucifixion is important is that Jesus supposedly died for our sins, and by taking all our sins, allows us to go to heaven without obeying the law to the letter. So, let me ask you: how can he take my sins if wasn't born when he died? After all, every sin (assuming such a thing exists) only comes into existence when someone commits or thinks it, so it's literally impossible for someone to once and for all forgive us our sins. If it is not, how does Jesus accomplish this?

The answer I'd predict would be that Jesus only cancelled out "original sin", which is something all christians believe in. Fine. Most christians also believe in free will. The idea or Original Sin contradicts this, since no one chose to be born with sin. So, how do you reconcile the idea that we have free will with this idea of Original Sin? Did Jesus invent free will at Calvary, meaning that our ancestors had no free will but we do?

Finally, if Jesus died to forgive my sins, why must I ask his forgiveness at all to get into heaven?

Now, this isn't the first time I've asked about the crucifixion, and it may not be the last, but it is something that literally no christian I've encountered has been able to answer. If any of you can not answer this, then you really ought to rethink your entire theological standpoint.


  1. Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps the xians you've talked to are human and don't want to waste time arguing with an asshole?
    These aren't exactly hard questions, hell I've found answers to them without even directly talking to a xians. You're the common denominator in all these failed interactions.

  2. So, just to be clear, you called Ben an asshole, said his questions are not hard but failed to answer them, and then right after that, said it's people like him that cause failures in interactions between both sides. Did I get that right?

  3. I think that the believers might say that God/Jesus being all knowing already knew that you will commit sin. And in the bible it says tat all sins are equal. Whether you kill a man or steal bread, each is equally wrong. So Jesus died for the sins he knew you would eventually commit simply by being alive. If we push the "all knowing" thing further, the believers could argue that all the sins you will commit in your life are already known by God/Jesus and that he's pre-emptivly forgiven you for them.

    The real question is, why are you trying to apply rational thought and arguments to something based exclusivly in irrationality?

    After all, the believers will always just fall back on "It's a faith thing!" and that will always trump your reason and logic.

    Move on to real issues like class warfare, the fact that we middle and lower classes make up the vast amount of the population but the wealthy small percent get to lord over us in nearly every aspect of our lives.

    1. Actually, the bible doesn't say all sins are equal, given that there are some that require a death penalty and others that only require fines.

      I'm posting stuff like this because, well, I was someone like them and I can maybe help them leave their religion.

      Sure, I'll post about other stuff, eh? Pretty quickly, in fact.

  4. Sounds pretty equal to me

    Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4) or transgression of God's will, either by omitting to do what God's law requires or by doing what it forbids. The transgression can occur in thought (1 John 3:15), word (Matthew 5:22), or deed (Romans 1:32).

    James 2:10
    10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

    Romans 3:23-24
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

    1 John 3:4-5
    4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

    The following passage shows that Jesus died for every sin of all of us. Sin is so terrible that no less than the Son of God could make atonement for sin.

    Titus 2:14
    14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.